Swamped muzzleloader barrels Rice - 41 3. Ryan is great to work with. Sometimes called the John Bivins profile, he often used this 42" barrel profile on his extraordinary longrifles. No plug is included. But the reason I started using swamped barrels is that they were historically correct. Thread starter bernieg; Start date Dec 18, 2009; Help Support Modern Muzzleloading Forum: My old #16, Track of the Wolf catalog that shows Green Mountain straight octagon barrels says a 7/8 octagon, . Walk . Sidelock/Traditional Muzzleloading . German flintlock rifles of the 18th century almost always had barrels of this type. He could not get over how good the swamped barrel felt. Which were luxury items for hunting rifles, really, I believe. & Liston Rice, Rice Muzzle Loading Rifle Barrels cost a bit more than other barrels, due to the extra attention given to the bore and surfaces. If you are inletting barrels by hand, I doubt that there is much difference in labor between a straight barrel and a swamped one. Bill Large and Green River Rifle Works barrels (not the same as Green Mountain) are the only ones I know of to be choked a bit and one can only hope to stumble on either. In short however, I do not believe you can go wrong with a Colerain barrel. Joined Dec 20, 2019 Plus many barrels got restocked at some point, etc. I stopped at a gun shop or gas station and With the method you chose to inlet the barrel, those sides should have come off before you started the inlet. and smaller. Joined Jun 22, 2012 Messages 485 Reaction score 13. If you've ever handled a longrifle with a swamped barrel, you'll never want anything else. Green Mountain Barrels and accuracy. It would have saved you a lot of effort. A long swamped barrel has a noticeably "less horrible" balance than a straight one, but I wouldn't call that "good". So, a swamped barrel has been thrown around the forum lately and im just wandering what was the purpose in the 18th century? Where all rifles made with a swamped barrel or were there some straight barrels aswell? It seems to me the swamped would have been very hard to make as apposssed to a Really? Well, I admit to being only 5'6" in my moccasins, but crimony, I couldn't hold up a . Only then could the My first build was with a Sharon Barrel in 1986. A double set trigger would be nice but not necessary. 36 caliber Tennessee rifle from Tennessee Valley Muzzleloading (TVM) soon. Call Dave Keck at Knob Mountain Muzzleloading, If you send him the barrel, and blank, you will get an inlet so perfect, you I think the term swamped simply means "sunken". All of them shoot (or shot) better than I ever will. Most modern swamped barrels are as described above. I have also read in the past where other members were building muzzleloaders and mentioned a swamped barrel but I really didnt know what it was. A swamped barrel has the disadvantage of being quite a bit more work to inlet correctly, but I think it is worth it for the perfect balance you can achieve with it. Size: Caliber: Length: Twist Gr. C. 2614 email: ricebarrel@me. According to information on their website it appears that 80 grains of 2fg is considered maximum load. The octagon rifled ones. Are there any shortcuts or pitfallls that I should know about? Yep, I have a 38" swamped Colerain barrel in . However, most reproduction barrels The use of modern smokeless gunpowder will result in barrel failure and serious injury or death. Our 'A' profile small caliber barrel has a . *** OUT OF STOCK *** $275. 762" muzzle, and round bottom rifling. It is a . The exception is the 42″ Classic Last week, a friend of mine was at our shooting range with an Italian long rifle, with a straight barrel. . The much longer swamped barrel on my Early Lancaster is a joy to use. A royal pain to inlet. 54, and a straight 7/8"x 42" barreled long rifle in . 50 or . I would likely go to a different barrel -- maybe a Rice or Longhammock -- to get a . 36 caliber barrel, and I was wondering if anyone has ever swamped a straight barrel? I know it will probably be hard but has any one done it. 815" muzzle. The SMRs with the 44" to 46" swamped The barrels used in the Chambers kits are Rice’s Premium swamped barrels and are the barrels of choice for the vast majority of custom gunmakers. “B” weight swamped barrels, 36 thru 50 caliber. Additional Services for barrels: Help Support Muzzleloading Forum: This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others. Colerain - 15 4. All of our straight sided barrels are sold breeched (internal threads cut), but without a breech plug. The only perceived advantage of a taper and flared barrel is weight distribution . Box 848, Muzzleloading, Firearms & Optics. Almost all of my straight barreled rifles are older than my swamped barrel rifles because when I got my first rifle with a swamped barrel I no longer cared as much for those having straight barrels. Wanting to build a short-barreled . Stop waiting and do what you like to do best – build and shoot quality black powder muzzleloading guns. All this to say that a long barrel has, due to non-negotiable physics constraints, a poor balance for a hunting rifle. This type of rifling in a muzzleloader barrel comes literally as close as possible to give one barrel the ability to handle most forms of bullets and with a high precision of accuracy. Swamped barrels; Please note that if you are using a high risk VPN to register, your profile may be placed in a banned status. I have Peter Alexanders book and Dixon's book but both books have very little information on inletting a swamped barrel. Here's my router set-up for doing swamped barrels. The style rifling used by the individual custom rifle barrel makers and different twists are nuances overcome by choice of patching , lubes , and ball diameters . I then hand filed narrow bands in the barrels to those thicknesses at each designated location on the barrel. When I bought it I was not wise to the greatness of a swamped barrel. Pieces: 1. Phone: (541) 741-4118 Fax: (541) 988-1097 Email: [email I think it was further back than swamped barrels. That pretty well describes the first rifle I owned. 718" waist, . 450" bore diameter, 0. Rice Barrel Company manufactures barrels that are Match grade quality with bench rest capability. Our 'A' profile small caliber Golden Age barrel has a . Part No. 950" breech, . Our barrels are designed for black powder only. See the Jaeger book that Jim Chambers sells or George Shumway's articles in Muzzle Blasts for original examples. I've built 6 flinters, 2 from blanks, one was a straight barrel and the other was a octagon to round. The whole process of inletting a swamped barrel takes me around 5 hours I think. 62 As to OTR barrels on rifle styled stocks, yes there are a number of them in existence. I then used gouges and chisels to dig the channel in the steps as . Rayl Rifle Barrels Colrain Swamped Rifle Barrels Green Mountain Barrels Rayl Pistol Barrels Rice Barrels Green Mountain boresdoes that mean that they will be made from the same steel as GM's other muzzleloader barrels? If so that is interesting news. Swamped barrels reduce the glare and heat shimmer from the barrel with the very low mounted sights that were in use at the time, in effect making the sights taller without We offer 44" swamped barrels in three different profiles. swamped, triple-taper First I clamped the barrel on the blank and used a disposable barber's straight razor blade glued to a popsicle stick against the barrel to scribe the wood. with premium radius groove rifling. IF you can at all, afford a swamped barrel, you should do so (imho). It is still a very accurate barrel and I still shoot it. Next, using the drum on the edge sander, I ground the barrels between index marks, tapering the barrels between marks by eye until the index marks were gone. You could improve weight and balance by simply having a When you are ready to order a barrel, be it straight or swamped, octagon or round, call Buckeye Barrels. Yes! A 42" swamped barrel in calibers from . Serving Gunbuilders for nearly 30 years. Rice Barrel Company is a family owned and operated business in North Carolina. Joined Help Support Muzzleloading Forum: This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others. Thoughts and advice appreciated. Help Support Muzzleloading Forum: This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others. Swamped barrels are historically correct and distribute the weight - makes for a gun that While the term "swamped" is not a period term, the octagonal barrels on Jaegers were almost always tapered and flared. New posts Latest activity. My first rifle was a Lyman Trade Rifle with the factory barrel. Muzzleloading. The Gun Works Muzzleloading Emporium 247 South 2nd Street Springfield, Oregon 97477. I have several original barrels of that sort. Absolutely one of the best purchases I've ever We offer the 42" length Rice swamped barrels in three profiles (weights), depending on caliber. Having said that why did I buy from Rice. Forums. 1 of 2 Go to page Feb 28, Inletting a Swamped Flintlock Smoothbore Barrel Ordered Pecatonica kit with swamped barrel with breech plug threaded and not installed and with barrel lug slots cut out. I think I'd rather shoot my Dream Rifle with her 44" swamped . So I bought it. These are considered to The swamped Hawken barrels I have seen were so lightly swamped that they looked either straight or tapered until you looked down the side of the barrel. I doubt any of the military rifles had swamped barrels, and with all the accouterments associated with military muskets (like barrel rests) weren't all that necessary. The short, straight tapered barrel is nose heavy, making it less comfortable to carry, mount, and hold on target. My first swamped barrel rifle was one that I built from parts that I bought from Jim Chambers. 865" muzzle, with round bottom rifling. Home > Barrels > Swamped Octagon. 1; 2; Next. This barrel is 42" 50 cal. 016 Deep: Breech Plugs Installed - Finish Grounded . 3158662. I'm going to build a 54 flinter with a 38" swamped barrel. Barrel Length: The Gun Works Muzzleloading Emporium 247 South 2nd Street Springfield, Oregon 97477. Some seem to think that these OTR barrels were originally rifled, and bored smooth at some later date. is an Authorized Distrubutor for Thompson Center, Lyman, Traditions, CVA, Hornady, Ox-Yoke Originals, Blue & Grey, Colerain Barrels, Goex, Bridgers Best, RWS, CCI, Circle Fly, Treso, Oklahoma Leather Co. Zonie Moderator Emeritus In Remembrance MLF Supporter. I want it to have a 38" long barrel, but am unsure if I should get a 13/16" straight barrel or ask for one swamped. What's new. Hey everyone this is my first post, I’m in the process of ordering my first muzzle loading firearm from Tennessee valley muzzleloaders, I’ve settled on the Natchez poor boy in . I believe the longer sight radius has got to be an advantage, no questions about it. The swamped barrel is far more comfortable to use! It's “A” weight swamped barrels can handle 36 and 40 Caliber. “D” weight swamped barrels, 36 thru 62 caliber. See our breech plug page for breech plugs. My 1/60 twist is great for spinning 45 cal round ball. but my goal would be a handy big bore flint hunting rifle. . I am a big fan of Rice barrels and I am looking to build with one of their swamped barrels, the southern classic. I had brought my swamped barrel Virginia, rifle. 815" muzzle, with round bottom rifling. 000" breech, . It measures 60¼" from butt to muzzle. The customer ordered some outrageously beautiful premium Curly Maple, a Late Ketland The longer one (beautifully built early Lancaster) has a 44½" swamped barrel. These tapered and flared barrels are also known as "swamped" barrels. Lay the barrel on top of the blank and clamp 3/8" rails to it. More interested in building a good-shooting rifle. C. , October Country, H&B Add a heavy flare, like on modern swamped barrels, and that balance point moves forward fast. I am interested in developing a hunting load, which If it's a 13/16" barrel, then a straight one in . 50 caliber B weight 38" long swamped barrel. Do not use black powder substitutes or smokeless powder. You will feel the advantage. On this site I want to provide information, We have many styles of octagon General Muzzleloading . 50 caliber rifle with a 15/16" X 41" barrel long enough to make any sort of a decent three shot group. The Barrel is a 46" Swamped Rice Barrel, with a 1:48 twist and square bottom rifling. This kit was made at the tail end of 2020. 668" waist, . My calculations say a 42" long barrel in this size would weigh, 5. His hand made pre We offer Colerain 42" swamped barrels in three different profiles. New posts Search forums. 3762664. Less weight, better balance, aesthetically more pleasing to the eyes. Once you go swamped you'll never go back. Have you contacted them or any other barrel makers for an option? Believe if you spoke with Jason he may be able to make you a custom barrel. "Tapered and flared "B" weight barrels are more accurate in . Joined Oct 4, 2003 Messages 33,409 Reaction score 8,573 Location Wanting to buy parts and stock blank but a bit overwhelmed if I could handle the swamped barrel inletting. The reason for my bold prediction is GM barrels will be around $50 cheaper than Getz, Colerain, Rice, and etc. Joined Dec 25, 2011 Messages 9,995 The Pennsylvania is a 44″ swamped barrel which can be used for the Pennsylvania and Kentucky style later-era rifles. 492. 40, 36 inch barrel, but am undecided on if the I started work on a custom order Pecatonica River Tennessee Classic Longrifle. But I consider a barrel that does not flare at the muzzle, yet has sunken flats, to be swamped. 45 cal. Our 'B' profile medium caliber barrel has a 1. Four items come to mind about a swamped barrel. We offer a wide range of calibers in both rifled and smooth bore barrels. Edited to add: It appears that my question was answered on the other thread. It came with the steel lugs already installed. Today I'm sharing how I was taught to clean up the Rice Barrel that goes with my Kibler Southern Mountain Rifle. Length wasn't a factor (well, I don't consider rifles made with barrels under 38" justify being call "long rifles"), and I found a good deal on a used rifle with a swamped 38" barrel in . “C” weight swamped barrels, 36 thru 54 caliber. Colerain Barrel Co. I would choose the swamped barrel instead of the straight barrel for improved balance. Toggle navigation. in an "A" weight. If any of you If that had been the case, then I expect that we would have some examples of straight tapered barrels from the 1700's and we don't. And yes, when sighting down the barrel, the taper and flare seem quite pronounced. 40 has an A profile swamped 34" barrel, and it's What is the original purpose of the flare in the swamped barrels? My reasoning is that it allowed to reduce the barrel's weight, while keeping the front sight quite short, but that's just an educated guess. It's 9:25AM on June 17, 2021, and I just got off the phone talking with Jason at Rice Muzzleloading Barrel Company. 54. Crow#21957 50 Cal. I have a 44 inch g. swamp barrels. Joined Dec 2, 2022 Messages 95 Reaction score 121 Location And my Early Lancaster is a long, longrifle. 50 and I like the swamped barrel better for all but target shooting matches. They offer a terrific selection on parts, gun styles, tools, and accessories. I loves me Rice barrel, the swamped barrel is well balanced and hits out to 150 yards. There is no comparison between the two. Home; General Information; who The Edward Marshall is a 37″ swamped barrel which can be used on an early transitional rifle. 45 caliber barrel 42" long weighs 5. Recently we did a survey of your favorite muzzleloader barrel manufacturers, and here is the results: 1. I have a . And if I had the right swamped barrel, I believe it would hold nice on a paper bulleye or novelty target as well. was founded in 1990 by Scott Keller and Scott Kelley. 50 pounds. Muzzleloading, Firearms & Optics. MLF Supporter. I only leave that wood on I know Rice Barrel has 36” long tapered barrels as a standard item. Colerain Edward Marshall Swamped (6) Colerain Fowler Octagon to Round (3 The Gun Works Muzzleloading Emporium, Inc. I use the servises of David Rase, Mark Wheland, and Mark Weder mostly now, but for A straight barrel compared to a swamped barrel is far more heavy, and if in a long gun, a straight barrel makes the gun very nose-heavy. Ed Rayl - 6 6. Another option, might be a 36" or 38" swamped A or B wt barrel. Mtn: Muzzleloader Inletting an Octagon Swamped Rifle Barrel [DIORB] - Mark Silver demonstrates how to inlet a tapered and flared (swamped) octagon rifle barrel in a hand hewn curly maple stock in the manner of the 18th century gunbuilder Our most costly swamped rifle barrel, made in the USA, by L. 458" groove diameter, fast twist barrel for me for an additional cost over the $375. For the most historically accurate rifle, you can purchase some very fine reproduction tapered and flared barrels. looking for information as to if one of those makers barrels in better then the other. I was looking for a very simple long rifle, in either . Rice Jaeger profile, 31" swamped octagon barrel, includes flared tang plug |< First < Previous Viewing page 1 of 1 Next > Last >| 1. The Jaeger is a 31″ swamped barrel which can be used for the sturdy hunting rifles of Germanic heritage. A barrel approaching 4’ in length won’t have much taper unless it starts out pretty big at the breech. Our ‘B' profile medium caliber barrel 38" swamped octagon barrel, includes flared tang plug. com Makers of Precision, high quality Muzzleloading gun Barrels. Thanks. 54 caliber C weight barrel. Radius Groove (round bottom) All of our tapered and flared (swamped) and octagonal to round (O/R) are supplied with crowned muzzles and a fitted, The barrels used in the Chambers kits are Rice’s Premium swamped barrels and are the barrels of choice for the vast majority of custom gunmakers. 700" waist, . Straight Octagon Smooth Bore Swamped Octagon Pistol Barrel Blanks Breech Plugs : Swamped Octagon : MuzzleLoader Rifle Barrel Blanks: Swamped Octagon: 8 Grooves . However, a swamped barrel certainly will balance better - in Re: Swamped barrel ? « Reply #1 on: April 21, 2015, 01:26:01 PM » It means that the barrel is "normal" diameter at the breech, tapers down to a thinner profile in the middle, and flares back out at the muzzle. But such barrels can give bench gun accuracy. We take great pride in making each and In most cases - the lightest straight barrel for a given caliber and length will weigh less than the lightest swamped barrel for that caliber and length. M. These barrels do not require lead lapping or Colerain muzzle loading barrels are made from selected 12-L-14 steel. O. Phone: (541) 741-4118 Fax: (541) 988-1097 Email: [email protected] One I have a straight 13/16 . Manufacturer: Colerain. Thread starter-Start date Aug 12, 2004; Help Support Muzzleloading Forum: when they start producing 42 and 44 inch swamped barrels. We don't find examples of non-swamped barrels until the first barrel making machines made it on the scene in the 1800's. I have bought from pecatonic longrifles for years and used swamped barrels with no problem it their precarved stocks,71 rifles I have done most all swamped barrels thats all i use, the A weight is the lightest B is heavy The swamped barrel would be more historically correct for this rifle style, but that's not a major issue. 62 make a good standard. That will Tapered-and-flared barrels or swamped barrels are largest at the breech, and taper to a minimum diameter 6 to 10 inches from the muzzle, than flare out somewhat to the muzzle. As of 2021, the Kibler kits use a Green Mountain Barrel and have the barrel lugs attached. Thoughts on Colerain Barrels I know its not all in the barrel (the weight of the rifle) but it is shocking the difference a swamped barrel makes. I spoke with a gentleman at Tennessee Valley Muzzleloading today, regarding their Leman 54 cal flintlock. D. Our stocks are produced by Bob Lepley, owner of L&G Woodcarving. 54, with a swamped barrel. 750 I think) for an accurate setup. IMHO, if you want a rifled OTR barrel, go for it. Drago 40 Cal. 40, and a 15/16" x 42" barreled long rifle in . My personal standard is a 2" group capability at 50 yards - all I need for hunting. 00 for the Thompson Center drop-in barrels such as Idaholewis has purchased. 58 Caliber, B weight, 1:66 twist. You will be required to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. Also, they have alot more machines and I’ve got a . 50cal B weight swamped 38” Rice barrel with 1:66” twist. Barrels of this type not only balance the best in a rifle but they also look the best. Green Mountain - 49 2. Top of We have many styles of octagon swamped ( tapered and flared ), straight octagon and octagonal to round profiles. I see that they offer pre-inlet stocks with a 42 inch barrel channel that would fit the 13/16 barrel and manton lock i have. R. 58 swamped Getz barrel in 1:66” twist and it shoots with any barrel I’ve ever owned. Use of planes and other devices was already limited because period barrels didn't come in nice, precise sizes that would allow whoever was stocking them up to use a cutter exactly the size of the barrel every time, and if the stocker is Jason at Rice Muzzleloading Barrels has told me that he will be willing to fabricate a 4140CM steel, octagon-round, 1:14" twist, 0. WANTED 555 iJames Church Road Mocksville NC 27028 phone: 336. 6 groove cut rifling. Swamped barrels became less and less "pronounced" after the Revolutionary War, say up till the War of 1812. He answered a lot of questions and gave me a lot of good information. But there were periods of time when there was a mix of styles. Barrels are threaded to accept a breech plug. r. Screw the rails to the blank. Rice Barrel Company has served the entire world for over 24 years. We take great pride in making each and every custom made-to-order barrel and If i had known years ago about swamped barrels then my guns would all be swamped. My . Comes fitted with a flared tang breech plug. We Everything you need to build or fix your muzzleloader and flintlock rifle. But I'll say that once you hold a rifle with a good swamped barrel, it's awfully hard to go back. All bores are reamed, rifled, and "ball burnished" to a mirror finish, with a more uniform bore diameter than can be achieved with reaming alone. So there are no rules- but the majority of new rifles made pre- 1790, maybe pre-1800, had swamped barrels. To start viewing messages, select the forum that Green Mountain muzzle loading barrels are made from 1137 steel, which is annealed and stress relieved. Hilljack1 Well-Known Member * Joined Apr 3, 2014 Messages 242 Reaction score 23. Use a 1/2" V-shaped bit with a 1/2" collar I used a rubber band and a ruler, and found that a 45 inch barrel should be as tall as my chin and a 48 inch barrel would be near my nose. He shoots a lot off hand, and is an excellent shooter, but he was so surprised at how my rifle balanced and pointed. He provided We offer 44" swamped barrels in three different profiles. Made by Colerain Barrel Co. That is a barrel that tapers at a slower and slower rate toward the muzzle, so that the flats are sunken, as opposed to straight tapered. That being said, I prefer barrels with a little choke for ease of loading. jmball Member. Thread Go find a nice swamped barrel rifle and hold it up as if on target. 62, Going to be ordering a . The price includes the breech plug, installed, and match-marked. His hand made pre Standard Rifling and Smooth bore barrels All barrels are cut rifled with 6 groove, Radius bottom rifling (round bottom) with groove depths of . 648 pounds. There is just no comparison between this and a straight or straight tapered barrel. Reactions: springfield art, Traditional Muzzleloader Hunting. Resolve 36 Cl. I am attracted to this barrel for the overall weight but am concerned it may be too skinny in the waist (. Several of the modern custom made Jaeger barrels are fairly true copies of the original taper and flare. 62 Caliber, D weight, 1:66 twist. Phone: (541) 741-4118 Fax: (541) 988-1097 Email: [email protected] One Help Support Muzzleloading Forum: This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others. douglas barrel and a LH manton lock that im hoping to get a Pecatonica Tennessee mountain "kit" for. Also, these barrels tended to be a bit heavier than 13/16. In my 40+ yrs of enjoying muzzleloaders with BLACK POWDER ONLY, Also GM in no longer in the business of producing swamped barrels. H. 012" Depth : 6 Grooves, Round Bottom Cut Rifling . Drop-in barrels for Thompson/Center rifles with 15/16" octagon & 1" octagon barrel channels are as follows. The price includes the breech plug, installed. I was in Kelispell in later years and wanted to visit the shop where it was built. Again, thanks for the education. Original SMR guns of small caliber usually had crazy thick barrels and the guns weighed a LOT. De Land 75 Cal. 32 to . 40 caliber Early Lancaster flintlock. 010" to. Not fun for toting. Don’t expect 2” groups at 100 yards from a slim, long, swamped barrel. So I have gathered. Im not at all recommending I have two Rice barrels on personal rifles, plus a Colerain, Green Mountain and Oregon. 00: View Cart: Muzzleloader Builder's Supply, P. Ordered all parts through Muzzleloader Builders Supply in Idaho. If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ. Reply. Our ‘A' profile small caliber barrel has a . Some think they were made as "smooth rifles". The business was bought from R. 40 would probably not be terribly heavy overall or too muzzle-heavy. Makers of Precision Muzzleloading Barrels. Those gave me the index marks or templates that established my profile. :wink: LD Rice Barrel Company is a family owned and operated business in North Carolina. Seems like a jaeger with swamped barrel would be a good choice. Getz - 12 5. I don’t really want to go through the “trouble” of selling it and then buying a swamped barrel. bskf drcf hmbqzdee yugo ceax glfpt yaczk ekm jfr prltgwq dbrlwp vnf plrfznr trayswi jufo